Agonizomai: Total Depravity

Thursday, September 17, 2009

Total Depravity
Finally! The preaching of Roy Hargrave is available in new ways to the world at large! Not for the faint of heart, these sermons and teachings strike right at the heart of sin and depravity and preach the free grace of God in Jesus Christ. They are Calvinistic to the core and evangelistic at heart. They will curl your hair and humble your heart. They will buckle your knees and stop your mouth. Seat belts are definitely required if you're going to listen to R.A. Hargrave preaching.



Short clips like this one are now available on YouTube here, and the existing site for Hargrave's material, called GraceWorx, contains links that will permit the playing and downloading of material and, with a bit of imagination, the embedding of sermons into blog and web sites.

As with all preachers, and I know Hargrave himself would tell you this, test everything against the Word of God. But I don't think you'll find too much from him that is out of whack.


6 Comments:

Blogger Roxylee said...

We know without any doubt w we are saved when messages like this cause us to overflow with joy and thanksgiving to God for his great mercy. To others it is the aroma of death, literally.

This message makes me all the more eager to evangelize to whoever will listen. Thank you for posting this- I'm going to graceworx.com to download more.

8:15 am  
Blogger agonizomai said...

Hi Roxylee,

Yes - I thought you would like this one. I do, too - but, as with Paul Washer's preaching, a little goes a long way.

Enjoy and blessings,


Tony

8:24 am  
Blogger Derek Ashton said...

Tony,

Hargrave's church is about 90 minutes from where I live (and only 20 minutes from where I used to live). His message on the balances of Calvinism and warnings against hyper-Calvinism helped me to steer straight right at the beginning when I first started blogging. Even though I live so close, I didn't know anything about him until I linked to his sermons from your site.

Blessings,
Derek

11:16 am  
Blogger agonizomai said...

Derek,

I remember you saying something about this before. Don't worry, though, I can attest that the older you get the more this sort of thing happens. [/wink]

I thought you only started blogging recently after I sort of put it in your mind? I never detected even a whiff of "hyper" in anything you said, though I might have liked to have found a bit of "high".

O well - you can't have everything.


Blessings,


Tony

12:55 pm  
Blogger Derek Ashton said...

Tony,

Indeed, I did only start blogging after your suggestion. And I found Hargrave's sermons through your link list around the same time.

I became a Calvinist very slowly. I was probably a Calvinist without knowing it for several years, but I thought I was a really balanced Arminian. Then I discovered the balances I was holding to were affirmed by most historic Calvinists, and that the primary issue was God's sovereignty in salvation - not all the other peripheral stuff. So I changed my affiliation. Not long after, I found your site and started really learning. I was very familiar with the theology because I knew my Bible fairly well, and because I had begrudgingly listened to a Calvinist preacher for several years. But I was unfamiliar with the Calvinist's social world and some of the terms. I was also unfamiliar with most of Calvin's writing.

There was a dangerous period in the middle of this, where my caricatured ideas about Calvinism could have led me into some serious problems. Hargrave confirmed the balances that led me to become a Calvinist in the first place, just as John MacArthur and my pastor had (I first considered calling myself a Calvinist when I heard MacArthur describe sovereignty and responsibility as a paradox, but I wasn't quite there yet. I was flabbergasted, though). Later, I found the same balances in Spurgeon, Phil Johnson, and John Piper.

My paradoxical view of the limited/unlimited atonement and my understanding of God's will as defined by command and decree have led me to embrace a more moderate form of Calvinism. However, I'm still a very "high" Calvinist when it comes to the central issue: the Sovereignty of God.

As I've said before, you and I disagree more over terminology than substance. In fact, our choices of terminology regarding "high" vs. "moderate" are a perfect example. You are a balanced high Calvinist, which makes you lean moderate in some ways. I am a balanced moderate Calvinist, which makes me lean high in some ways.

Well, God knows who is right (HIM!). And He is going to take all the errors out of our theology someday. Until then, I'm enjoying all the discussions and encouragements and sound exhortations around here.

Blessings,
Derek

1:33 pm  
Blogger agonizomai said...

Derek,

Thanks for explaining.

I think that, when the light first goes on about sovereign grace in many of us, there is a time when we are a danger to ourselves and to others.

Those who grew up in Calvinistic or Reformed circles and absorbed sovereign grace "naturally" seem to be affected less. But to people like me who grew up without spiritual guidance or getting their "teaching" from popular, liberal and/or postmodern sources it comes like a jolt of electricity.

I know I was sort of puzzled at first as to how others could have missed it. Never mind that I had been one of them for years. Then I was angry that the truth wasn't being clearly and universally taught.

James White refers to this a "Cage-Stage Calvinism". Presumably because people who go off like that need to be kept away from others until they learn some perspective and humility. Hopefully, I now have.

I'm glad you were kept from going over the edge. I like the result in you. If I had arms I'd pat you on the back - virtually speaking, of course.

Blessings,


Tony

5:00 pm  

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